Mouse guns in the pocket for the non dominant side?

[Brownie]

I've been carrying a 32 in the form of a seecamp in my offside front pocket lately.

I purchased the seecamp for the specific purpose of having a gun I can have my off hand on in certain instances. Gun in the hand, faster to first shots in a SD situation where a firearm might be the immediate solution.

Idea here is to yank it from the pocket already in hand and fire while moving and accessing the primary caliber at the same time. Walking with the gun in my hand, hand in my pocket through scenarios like going to the car in a parking lot, or behind the counter at the gun shop while someone who raises the hackles approaches seems prudent and tactically sound.

Thoughts from members on this as a viable tactic which might give you enough time to move while putting out lead and accessing the true primary? Keep in mind, I regularly practice shooting two guns at the same time on seperate threats and the same threat and can hit out to 10 feet with both very reliably.

[Guantes]

I'd like it better in the pocket of a windbreaker or jacket where I could just shoot through the pocket without even drawing. I understand that your weather may eliminate the idea for much of the year.

[Brownie]

Most I get to wear out here is a sweatshirt unless I'm riding the bike then I get to wear a light windbreaker over the sweatshirt G.

Back east I used to keep a 5 shot j frame with internal hammer [ whats known commonly as hammerless ]in my police jacket pocket on traffic stops at night when the weather dictated I could wear a jacket but that was strong side as well.

Good idea to be able to shoot through the jacket pocket and not even have to worry about any draw at all. The old chief named Andy Driscoll from the dept I worked for who had retired by the time I got on but was a member of our local gun club sorta took me under his wing and recommended I approach vehicles with that snub in my hand in the pocket.

Smart man that old timer, he always gave good advice based on his years of experience on the streets. No one I stopped ever knew they were being muzzled until I was satisfied things were kosher. Not PC by any means but that old chief was more interested in my staying warm than what the admins would say if they found out what I was doing.

[JMusic]

When in public service I always carried two weapons on me. I carried so I could use strong hand or weak hand. Usually I did not hae the second gun in a holster but used my front or back(my favorite) pocket. I did these for several reasons but one primary reason was to have the versatility to fend off with one hand while drawing with the other. The second gun was usually a mouse gun. Does the 25 caliber Raven ring a bell?:p

Jim

[Guantes]

Slightly off topic, it can apply in reverse also. Sitting watching an intersection while partner writes we had many people approach our vehicle for directions, etc. Sitting with crossed arms with a bicep on the window ledge, none ever knew what was under the bicep.

[Brownie]

Sitting with crossed arms with a bicep on the window ledge, none ever knew what was under the bicep.

but was that a mouse gun under your arm G;), seems I just can't picture you with a mouser like that.:D

Sneaky is as sneaky does, forethought goes a long way to prevent "being alive by accident".:cool:

[Guantes]

Using the Chevy analogy, it was more of a "rat" than a "mouse". :D

[kevininstructor]

I carry a Smith and Wesson model 342 revolver in my front pocket non-dominate side in a Safariland model 25 holster which stay open for reholstering. The only issues which I had to wrestle with was losing a spot to place my folder for right side carry but have since moved to placing my folder in my right rear pocket.

[RTBRANE]

Hi Kevin,
Be aware that a shirt worn outside can catch its hem seam on some knife clips, and yank it right out of the rear pocket. Even t-shirts can do this. Clip design is the cause. If it has a noticeable out bend at the tip to help slip it on, that's the culprit.

Had a friend who was a deputy(since died), who told me he used to rest his hand, holding a handgun, on the roof of the cars he would stop at night. This was back in the '70s. Don't know if this was a BUG, might have been, since his preferred duty weapon was a .44 Auto-Mag!

Will

[Brownie]

When I carried clipped pocket folders and carried them in my back pocket [ years ago now ], I found the clip would pull the knife almost out of the pocket on the seat of the vehicles, or catch on furniture and gouge the wood, etc.

Went to carrying in the front pockets [ used to carry two folders one on each side being ambi ] and that solved both problems, and found they were easier to access in that position.

Now I carry a fixed blade on the belt, sheath tucked into the rear pocket since moving to Az the last three years.

[BillinPittsburgh]

I have often carried a North American Arms .380 in my left front pocket to back up a 9mm Glock carried IWB on my right hip. At times, it can be nice to be able to have a hand discreetly on a gun even if that is my weak hand.

If I had to draw the gun, I think my best chance would be to focus on using the gun already in hand as I quickly get behind the nearest cover. I would rather concentrate on doing one thing at a time, and doing that one thing as well as I can. Once behind cover I could switch to the primary.

The other reasons for my choice include redundant capability (yes, even Glocks break), and having a gun readily available to my left hand if the right was injured.

[kevininstructor]

Hi Kevin,
Be aware that a shirt worn outside can catch its hem seam on some knife clips, and yank it right out of the rear pocket. Even t-shirts can do this. Clip design is the cause. If it has a noticeable out bend at the tip to help slip it on, that's the culprit.
Will

Hi Will

Been carrying this way for sometime now and never came close to snagging but a good heads up.

[JMusic]

To each their own but I agree with Robin on front carry for blade and rear for pistol. Catching the clip had nothing to do with my decision, I have not had the problems with "catching" some others have described. My reason was if someone got the drop on me at some point they would ask me for my billfold. Rear pocket seemed the approppriate place for "payment". :D

Jim

[BillinPittsburgh]

To each their own but I agree with Robin on front carry for blade and rear for pistol. Catching the clip had nothing to do with my decision, I have not had the problems with "catching" some others have described. My reason was if someone got the drop on me at some point they would ask me for my billfold. Rear pocket seemed the approppriate place for "payment". :D

Jim

I agree that this is a very good argument in favor of rear pocket gun carry, and am aware of more than one case of this or very similar tactics succeeding.

How do you keep the backstrap and back of the slide of a gun in the rear pocket from becoming visible if someone happens to look at your pocket from the wrong angle?

[Brownie]

I ripped two car seat backs, one sofa back, and scratched numerous wooden/wicker type chairs over the years with clip folders in the rear pocket/s. Those "accidents" also caused me to bend beyond repair [ they had to be replaced ] the clips on several folders.

I finally stopped carrying them in the rear pockets, it was getting too expensive to repair the leather in the Caddy, then later the Lincoln. I know others who have never had a problem with this, so I look at it like this now: It's not a matter of if, but when it could/will happen. Foturnately, I no longer carry folders and now carry the 5.5 inch Bowie everyday [ the sheath tucked into my back pocket opposite my gun side.

My BUG is carried in the right rear pocket, and often enough, two BUGS are with me when working the gun shop. The other BUG goes in the left front pocket opposite my strong side carry. Rarely, but on ocassion, one of them could be moved to appendix and it's not unusual for the BUG to float from one position to another based on any given situation I'm walking into or maybe just based on what I'm wearing that day.

[JMusic]

Most of it is hid by the holster. To be honest someone who is used to looking for weapons may spot it just as I may spot theirs.


Jim

[steve2267]

Brownie,

You live in the great West now... need to leave those Bostonian habits behind and get yerself a few quality western-style vests WITH pockets. Me thinks you would look even more relaxed with a hand thrust loosely in a vest pocket. Advantages would include

Being able to fire mouser right from inside the vest pocket
potentially quicker draw from vest (less chance of hand wrapped around grips binding in pocket opening)
can point mouser in many directions from vest pocket and just make it look like you are gesturing while you are talking, sorry, drawling :D

[Brownie]

You live in the great West now... need to leave those Bostonian habits behind and get yerself a few quality western-style vests WITH pockets

I've got one but my fat arse won't fit into it right now Steve:o

[steve2267]

Aahh... hmmm... well, buy a bigger vest! Then when you lose the winter weight... think of all the concealment possibilities! :D

[Brownie]

Ever heard the expression "I'd need to buy from Omar the tent maker?":D :eek: