Officers attempt to shoot me

[Brownie]

Okay, now that I have everyones attention:D

What you are about to see is a police officer I worked with back east. The clip shows him attempting to pull the trigger on me when he sees me move.

This short clip is only part of the gun disarm I teach and we had to work it this way because on the first attempt he could not pull the trigger when I grabbed the revolver.

Turn the volume up;)

http://www.threatfocused.com/videos/Gun_disarm_front.wmv

[Guantes]

Brownie,

Cool video, the old action reaction.
I couldn't tell from the video if the weapon was cocked, but from your narrative I assume not. Have you tried it with a cocked weapon? I found it more difficult, but still doable, because of the short trigger movement.

[Brownie]

G,

It was a hammerless 38spl. I've tried it with a hammer gun, it's still doable as you mention but you really need to be moving off line with the upper body, or else.

The chances of someone cocking a revolver on you in a stick up are not high, yet still possible.

[Guantes]

B,
No question. I personally like blading on (almost) any deflection of a gun.

[sweatnbullets]

While I was at brownies house last month, he should me the disarm that this video clip is from. It is the very best disarm that I have seen to date. It took me maybe five minutes to have it down, and I own it to this day. It is a very simple and extremely effective technique.

The cuticle is growing back quite nicely.:D

[Guantes]

SNB,

Sorry about your owie.

I like the strike position, either on the hand or its junction with the wrist.
I have seen some on the gun (ouch). Also seen some higher on the arm, but that will allow the possiblity of the wrist swinging back to get you.

[Brownie]

G,
The hand or junction thereof is good to go. I will also grab the gun quite often and if it is a revo, it usually can't be fired while the disarm occurs.

We were taught to grab the gun, in the case of an auto, if a round gets off, the slide will not cycle a second one. It hurts like hell if the slide has a high profile front sight though:(

While Steve was here, we played with it some more with his hammerless 38.

Took three rounds to the chest out of 15 attempts [ the rest were successful ]. On the three hits, Steve told me he had put enough pressure on the trigger to almost start it, anticpated the move and in combination with my not blading, he got me.

In watching the vid afterwards, the three hits were due primarily to my NOT blading.:(

Got lax in not blading, due to not making the full disarm, and got nailed. The blanks don't hurt too much, but the imbedded particles in my chest sure burned for some time afterwards.:eek:

So Steve has vid of shooting me in the chest now. :D

Roger, thanks for the thoughts. Glad to hear of your recovery

You have the skills now, and they are good skills to know.

[7677]

Brownie,
Good video, however my favorite Brownie disarm video is the 2004 NY disarm.

[sweatnbullets]

Brownie,
Good video, however my favorite Brownie disarm video is the 2004 NY disarm.

"Who wants to be his next victim!" ROTFLMAO!

[Guantes]

A question of curiosity for Brownie in particular or anyone in general.

Do you prefer a parry to the inside, from whatever side that might be or a consistent parry from the off hand going from (your) left to right?

[Brownie]

G, good question

In almost all cases, if given a choice, I'll parry them from the outside moving their "offending" arm toward their center/core with either hand thats required to do so.

This takes their other arm out of my face. It also helps prevent them from just stepping back and bending the elbow/forearm back to me. It gives me their backside and all sorts of fun stuff from there.

If the gun/knife is favoring either shoulder instead of center, I'll take the inside line. There's a quick move that works both against the gun and knife that wraps that arm up and at the same time takes them off balance with a chinjab or strike to the throat.

[Guantes]

B,

Sound tactics and similar to what I have been taught and employed over the years.


As age continues its never ending advance, I have leaned more toward the deployment of my own weapon (gun) than disarms. Although aware of the criticism of using a gun solution to a combatives problem, I prefer to get my own gun into action, rather than getting in a struggle over his weapon. Not knowing his strength, physical conditioning or martial abilities, think of a twenty-five year old ex-con who has been pumping iron and training for the last two years while in prison, I don't want to get in a wrestling match over his gun/knife.

My feeling is that deployment of my own weapon provides more likelihood of a positive and conclusive resolution of a situation in my favor. To that end I developed a method to implement that concept with the knowledge that as time goes on it will become more a necessary than chosen tactic.

Being contrary to the concept of always and never, the above is situation dependent.

[Brownie]

7677,
Good video, however my favorite Brownie disarm video is the 2004 NY disarm.

You mean this one? :D

http://www.threatfocused.com/videos/Next_victim_please_broadband.wmv

[Roundeyesamurai]

Brownie, on the video it sounds like you guys are standing on broken glass...?

[Brownie]

Not glass, but lots of brass :D

[Guantes]

B,
Nice execution of a classic technique.;)

[Brownie]

G,

Appreciate the thought.

Any idea who the victim was in that last clip?:)

[Guantes]

B,
No I truly don't.:o If I were to guess, I would say maybe MT.
I don't get out of the frozen north too much.:)

[Roundeyesamurai]

Does anyone aside from see some irony in a Jewish guy shouting "Oh Jesus"? :D

[Brownie]

G,
Good call. Thats 7677's favorite disarm clip.

RES, I had not realized that in watching it numerous times:(

[7677]

:eek: Ahhhhhhh Jesus....ok...ok...ok I'm convinced...anyone want to be his next victim. That is priceless and it brings back good memories of a great day we all had in NY.

[Guantes]

Is it just me or do I detect excessive delectation in 7677's response.:rolleyes:

You guys look too rough for a frail little old man.:eek:

[AdrianMacintosh]

Okay, now that I have everyones attention:D

What you are about to see is a police officer I worked with back east. The clip shows him attempting to pull the trigger on me when he sees me move.

This short clip is only part of the gun disarm I teach and we had to work it this way because on the first attempt he could not pull the trigger when I grabbed the revolver.

Turn the volume up;)

http://www.threatfocused.com/videos/Gun_disarm_front.wmv

I can't open these videos. What's up?

[Brownie]

AdrianMacintosh:

Are you running a MAC machine? :D Your username suggests that may be the case here.

You need "windows movie viewer" installed on the computer to view these clips.

Are you getting them into a viewer and not able to play them? Or are you not able to get them into a viewer to begin with?

[JMusic]

Gloves, I usually used my right hand on a right handed shooter. Two reasons one I'm quicker with my right hand and two I believe you are weaker when your arm is extended outside your body core if you understand my meaning.
There are many styles of disarms. Brownies demonstration was simply the first move. One thing to keep in mind: Move your hand/arm first then your feet. You are much quicker that way. When this is done fast, "blading" may appear to be done at the same time but it isn't. You must make contact with the weapon first then move out of the line of fire. Brownie in his demo moved the weapon out of the line of fire. The second move to that disarm if so chosen would be to step in with the left foot grasping the weapon then using the weapon as a lever grasp with the other hand turning the weapon in and pulling it back toward you. What Brownie is doing is what most "experts" learn over time. You can actually slap the gun out of the BG's hand if you move fast enough and hit hard enough. My 2 cents.
Jim

[Brownie]

Two reasons one I'm quicker with my right hand and two I believe you are weaker when your arm is extended outside your body core if you understand my meaning.

Interesting observations Jim. I think I'll look at that awhile. I understand the concept of the move you are describing here.

[Guantes]

JM,
I never noticed any difference in my speed of hands, so I nearly always use the weak hand for the parry, saving the strong hand for the second move. The one I always liked was the second hand coming up from below grabbing the opponents grip hand then doing a up and over 180 with the muzzle. It gave you a good chance of snapping the wrist or maybe a finger or two.