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David Williams
11-11-2007, 11:44 AM
In another thread (http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9553#post9553), I linked to a video trailer put out by Dog Brothers Martial Arts called Die Less Often 2 (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5509519122993094395&q=die+less+often&total=174&start=0&num=50&so=0&type=search&plindex=0). As an aside, I think Dog Brothers have contributed greatly to our understanding of how a knife attack goes down and how we can react to them.

However, I saw something in that trailer that specifically ties to C.A.R. that I wanted to point out without hijacking the other thread.

At about 3:20 in the trailer, guest instructor Gabe Suarez demonstrates one of the core concepts of the C.A.R. system; that of the slightly canted wrist position during full extension. The slight - approx. 20 degree - inward cant of the weapon brings the radial and ulnar bones of the forearm into alignment and allows greater stability and support.

This positioning of the weapon flies directly in the face of the standard Iso/ Modified Iso stances and I find it interesting to see a mainstream instructor espousing it outside of the C.A.R. system. Why? Because neither the Isosceles nor Weaver stances allow for the integration of this technique into their shooting platforms... which leaves me wondering how an instructor can support the effectiveness of the 'cant' without it consequently affecting his/her whole philosophy behind weapons presentation.

I also wonder who else is out there teaching this outside of the C.A.R. system, or if this was a fluke.

Brownie
11-11-2007, 11:54 AM
Gabe, the Supreme Allied Commander [SAC for short ] as he likes to be called ] took the idea from his "good friend" James Yeager. :rolleyes:

James Yeager has been training others in that inboard cant style for several years.

David Williams
11-11-2007, 12:22 PM
I haven't taken any of Yeager's training, but I'd like to get educated on how the two concepts marry up. I didn't realize that other people were out there teaching that.

mercop
11-11-2007, 01:18 PM
I was a martial artist before finding CAR. As a matter of fact my Sensei and head black belt went to WI as well for Master Instructor School.

From the MA stand point locking the wrist is what made it "click" for me. It only made sense to incorporate Open Hand CQC with the pistol.

Before I had seen CAR as a departmental FI I was teaching to turn the gun inboard during one hand shooting.

CAR just makes sense.

Bryn Reynolds
03-29-2008, 01:11 PM
I was a martial artist before finding CAR. As a matter of fact my Sensei and head black belt went to WI as well for Master Instructor School.

From the MA stand point locking the wrist is what made it "click" for me. It only made sense to incorporate Open Hand CQC with the pistol.

Before I had seen CAR as a departmental FI I was teaching to turn the gun inboard during one hand shooting.

CAR just makes sense.

Yes, it does, doesn't it...

Bryn