Training guide or manual

[mohican]

Hi, guys, maybe you would be willing to help me. I am trying to learn as much as possible about shooting training so I would need guides or manuals about that, because I can't attend to any course nowadays, I am in Europe and that would be too expensive for me. Please, let me know which material I could get to learn and train here for my own.
Thanks a lot for your attention.
Take care.

[David Williams]

What kind of shooting do you want to learn, what type of weapon do you want to learn on, and what is your experience?

[mohican]

I am Spanish Marine Corps Captain with just a few years in the Corps. I am used to shoot handgun and rifle and my personal and professional interest is in both weapons. I want to learn about CQB shooting techniques, about real world techniques, not marksmanship. I am trying to improve my own performance to be able to train my guys better. Thank you for your help.

[Brownie]

mohican,

Good to see you posting from Spain here with questions. I'd suggest you read through the CAR section of posts here:
http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=28

as well as the Quick Kill pistol skills here:
http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=23

Quick Kill rifle skills here:
http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=24

and also take a look at the FSA section here:
http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=27

After reading through the various forms of threat focused skills, we'd be happy to help you with any specific questions you might have then. I'd also have you possibly consider taking advantage of the "train the trainers" course in FSA and Quick Kill with rifle and pistol that is offered by myself. I'd be happy to come to Spain and train the trainers such as yourself so the skills could be implemented within your own programs.

[mohican]

I am very sorry for my late answer. I really appreciate your interest, your help and your attention to help me. I will study all the data included in this forum and from any other source to assess all shooting techniques.
It would be a pleasure and a honour to count with you for a course here in Spain, but I am afraid nowadays it is very difficult to plan such a course. It would be necessary an interpreter. Besides, I am not sure how many people would be interested in such a course, not everybody thinks such a course worths the money you pay for. Anyway, thank you so much for your offer, maybe some day I could attend to some of your courses in the loved States.

As fas as CAR I have some features I don't like, I think that technique has disadvantages such as side exposure to the threat and side movement (more unstable). I will try some training in that technique but I have a lot of doubts about its effectiveness over other techniques, more over under stress. But this is not the place to discuss about this technique.

[David Williams]

Side exposure to the threat is a common misgiving, as is moving without squaring off to the threat. I'll quickly address both -

About exposing one's sides; my most common response is that body armor is a hardware issue, not a tactics or techniques issue. Sure, if you've got body armor it would be foolish not to maximize its use...but we don't really know where the next threat is going to be anyway, so the direction our torso faces might not be as important as we think.

Secondly, for the applications that CAR was designed for (CQB), sideways movement is not as unstable as we might might believe. If needed, and as I prefer to move, you can lessen the angle of your bladed stance and basically point your toes forward so that walking is more natural.

It's a very adaptable set of techniques - reconsider writing them off just because the value of one or two things isn't immediately clear.

[Brownie]

Good explanation and post DW. CAR has merit in the SD community IMO.

[David Williams]

CAR has merit in the SD community IMO.
Absolutely; My favorite being from within a vehicle.

[Brownie]

My favorite being from within a vehicle.

That and the retention of the weapon skills with the CAR system are the two most important to myself as well DW.

[mohican]

Ok, you are right, but I am not convinced by CAR as my usual shooting technique. I think I must dominate a technique, which I have to be able to use without any doubt under stress. Besides, I am not sure about advantages and disadvantages between Weaver/Isosceles stance and CAR stance. In my case I think it is easy for me to point shooting with my arm extended (strong side arm) that with my elbow bent. That's my point. Maybe, in the future, I could get convinced about CAR, but I would need more justifications about that to change from current stance to that one.
Thank you so much for your points of view.

[Brownie]

mohican,

I'm not changing the way I've been shooting [ mod ISO and one handed ]for near 40 years now either, but the adoption of CAR techniques mentioned from seated in a car and the retention skills and their advantages is something thats worth knowing IMO.

[mohican]

Yeah, ok, I agree about that, but I don't consider the CAR a shooting technique for everyday, just for some situations (shooting from inside a car by the side window).

[David Williams]

Yeah, ok, I agree about that, but I don't consider the CAR a shooting technique for everyday, just for some situations (shooting from inside a car by the side window).

It depends on what your "everyday" shooting situation might be.. ;)

If you're really interested in learning more about what CAR has to offer and what it brings to the table, we can certainly start another thread in the appropriate forum. For now, try not to write something off as unusable before you've really gotten a taste of it.

[mohican]

Forget it! It was an optical effect I saw in a video.

[SwampRat]

I just finished reading "Shooting to Live" by Fairbairn and Sykes..Pretty damn good read with illustrations by two of the best on Point Shooting. Fixing to get into "Kill or Get Killed" by Applegate here shortly ...If you've got Acrobat Reader on your puter I can email the book to you...